the biggest trend in packaging that has, is really probably a decade old right now. And you think to yourself, how could this be a trend if it's already been out there for about a decade, is it keeps evolving and that's on the sustainability side of things. And we could talk for hours and hours about just packaging and sustainability in general um that maybe it would be good if we kind of um narrowed the topic a little bit and talk about um sustainability with e commerce packaging, which to be a little bit more um fresh over the last year because of the global pandemic, we have been seeing some pretty significant shifts in e commerce packaging, both from a sustainability point of view, as well as from just an economics point of view. Maybe we can talk about both.
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